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A new show on ABC... thought y'all might like it. 3 episodes so far, here's the first:
www.hulu.com/watch/86722...t#s-p1-so-i0
The Antares begins its mission to explore the planets in the solar system.
www.hulu.com/watch/86722...t#s-p1-so-i0
The Antares begins its mission to explore the planets in the solar system.
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Re: Defying Gravity
Tue, August 11, 2009 - 8:41 AMI've been so on it.
Like that the drama is around a more realistic mission in our own solar system.
Actually the ship seems modeled after the BBC's Voyage To The Planets ship (Pegasus comes to mind). And that ship was put together (virtually of course) by scientists. So these may be the type of ships we see in the future.
On a down side, the writers really need some scientific experts because the make mistakes like mentioning a hyperbaric chamber (which is used for people in hi pressure environments like under water not less than 1 atmosphere environments like in aerospace and spaceflight). -
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Re: Defying Gravity
Tue, August 11, 2009 - 9:48 AMActually the use of a hyperbaric chamber made sense - they were talking about treating someone for decompression sickness after a pressurized suit (5 atm) failed. Unfortunately, going from 5 atm to a little less than 1 atm under 10 minutes would leave the person dead.
I've seen a two of the episodes and got really annoyed with all the mistakes; things that are easy to check. Seems like a knock-off of 2001 but I'm likely to watch a bit more. -
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Re: Defying Gravity
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 1:43 AMAnd that's another problem. The space craft and suits are at 1 atm. And in space and at altitude your going to experience <1 atm environment. 5 atm is more like underwater diving. The term for the sickness is altitude sickness for < 1 atm environment. -
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Re: Defying Gravity
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 2:08 AMI think the suits are 5 atm -
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Re: Defying Gravity
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 4:01 AMFor that episode the suit was at 5 atm because it was for use on Venus whose surface atmospheric pressure is high (92 atm according to Wikipedia). Of course the real problem with landing on Venus isn't the atmospheric pressure, but the fact that surface temperature is 460 C (860 F) which will quickly kill a person without a lot more cooling then one could get into a suit. -
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Re: Defying Gravity
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 7:37 AMFirst of all you wouldn't want to make a suit that operates at 5atm inside. You want it to operate at 1atm. If you can make a suit to operate at 5 atm in a 92 atm environment, then your far better off making it to operate at 1atm, so why wouldn't you do that?
Second the suit they showed was not a suit designed for Venus. A more plausible design would be an all hard shell suit. And something that could, maybe, keep the person alive at such temperatures you mentioned.
The suit they showed was one designed for lunar and possibly Mars exploration. So I think its a case of where the props and the story don't match. -
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Re: Defying Gravity
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 7:42 AMOk I'll cede with the idea that the suit was supposed to operate in Venus's atmosphere. I suppose a hyperbolic chamber would be appropriate in such a case. -
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Re: Defying Gravity
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 7:44 AMBut I still don't like such a test with a person in it on ship.
The apollo 1 was overpresurized with 100% oxygen, and a bunch of flamables. A virtual death trap that nobody caught or realized until it was too late.
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Re: Defying Gravity
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 11:22 AMEric,
I don't disagree with you, I'm just relating the storyline. As has been stated previously, the show's writers can't seem to get their facts strait. -
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Re: Defying Gravity
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 2:36 PMI saw the first episode -- I cared little for the show itself to tell the truth. I doubt it will last long with anybodies demographic -- not just we who like our sci-fi more realistic? -
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Re: The Show
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 11:24 PMI'm with Frozenstars on this one.
It looks like, (a sacrilegious attempt at) Stargate SG-1, plus on top of that where it meets, (or trying to, at least), Battlestar Gallactica. Also, cheap hints on who will eventually do who, (almost in your face, (probably was designed for complete catatonic idiots)), short close-ups to the "ever so enlightened eyes of the crew members, who are as if looking deep into the future, being able to see the destiny of humanity," and ...................... ................ .................. so on, and so on...
I will definitely watch the first season first, before I make up my mind. Of course, everybody needs to be given a shot. Who knows, maybe it will turn into something really good. ... or something.
(The usual "asshole big shot who fucks everything up by just being an asshole" is kinda a worn out part. In fact, it annoys the hell out of me already, to tell the truth. Every last god damn show has one... They need to turn that character into something better. Say, he realized where he was wrong and changed, because education gives you a strong power of will, which in turn, helps you to see your own mistakes and shortcomings and fix them within yourself, or whatever. I mean, to find some way to keep the character but make'im less of an asshole, because it feels like some minutes of your life have been drained out of you every time there is a scene about the "bad guy in charge".)
I'm talking about the one who got a punch in the face, the big boss, or whatever he was.
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Re: The Show
Thu, August 13, 2009 - 12:13 AM>"It looks like, (a sacrilegious attempt at) Stargate SG-1"<
And that from an Asgard! :-D
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Re: The Show
Thu, August 13, 2009 - 9:42 AM"(The usual "asshole big shot who fucks everything up by just being an asshole" is kinda a worn out part. In fact, it annoys the hell out of me already, to tell the truth... "
Its always easier to blame others then to admit that oneself is in need of change. It would be nice to have the storyline go: Here is the big asshole who fucks everything up but in the end it is clear that he was right all along. That would be more realistic but would piss people off because it would knock them off their high horses. LOL -
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Re: The Show
Thu, August 13, 2009 - 1:58 PMLOL, Troy. :)
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To Eric:
Exactly, they desacrated, (well, attempting to), the best SciFi there ever was. (Just like George Lucas "raped" the II and the III).
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Well, we'll see how thing will develop, though. One should never judge by the first look(s).
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Re: Defying Gravity
Thu, August 13, 2009 - 12:15 AMI can only guess its for the young. Like the last Star Trek movie.
But I'm starting to get in to the characters.
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Re: Defying Gravity
Thu, August 13, 2009 - 12:11 AMTroy,
Yeah I know. But you did bring up a good point that I missed.
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Re: Defying Gravity
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 2:31 AMcomparing terminology underwater vs atitude:
hyperbaric chamber vs altitude chamber
technology.asu.edu/aviation...e-chamber
Technicaly an altitude chamber is a hypobaric chamber, but nobody calls them that!.
decompression sickness vs altitude sickness
www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guid...pic-overview
and what medical personnel treats for altitude sickness? A flight surgeon!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_surgeon
(which people should really know about since they more likely fly commercially [at about 10,000ft air pressure]). BTW Don't fly with congestion!
What are the space suite pressurize to? (from the horses mouth)
er.jsc.nasa.gov/SEH/suitnasa.html
>"Spacesuits designed for the space station era will be pressurized to 8.3 psi"<
Which calculates to 0.565 atm.
Little different for space suits used at launch.
And why would a spacecraft carry a chamber? It wouldn't because the air lock (and for that matter the space craft) already works like an altitude chamber (control over the air pressure). -
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Re: Defying Gravity
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 2:35 AMOh and I forgot the other ailment associated with altitude sickness;
hipoxia - The lack of oxygen to the brain. And yes this is the same effect that alcoholic drinks does to you.
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