the fickle moon inconstant moon

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hello
i live on the east coast of australia
the 18ths full moon was in the southwest sky in the morning, and this morning the waning crescent is in the northeast.
how does it work?
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  • Re: the fickle moon inconstant moon

    Tue, July 29, 2008 - 3:45 PM
    that i don't know, but i like your quote from romeo and juliet. the scene is possibly the most beautiful piece in the language. thanks.
    is this off the topic?
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      Re: the fickle moon inconstant moon

      Tue, July 29, 2008 - 9:19 PM
      mm good pilgrim you do wrong your hand too much.. i love that line but i think it's an earlier scene.
      no matter, romeo and juliet is universal :D
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        Re: the fickle moon inconstant moon

        Thu, July 31, 2008 - 2:25 AM
        shakespeare.mit.edu/romeo_ju....2.2.html

        ROMEO

        Lady, by yonder blessed moon I swear
        That tips with silver all these fruit-tree tops--

        JULIET

        O, swear not by the moon, the inconstant moon,
        That monthly changes in her circled orb,
        Lest that thy love prove likewise variable.

        ROMEO

        What shall I swear by?

        JULIET

        Do not swear at all;
        Or, if thou wilt, swear by thy gracious self,
        Which is the god of my idolatry,
        And I'll believe thee.
  • Re: the fickle moon inconstant moon

    Tue, July 29, 2008 - 4:14 PM
    The moon does not orbit the Earth along the line of the equator (between 18.29° and 28.58° to Earth's equator - wikipedia: moon) which will cause it to move around in the sky. The same thing happens with the sun.
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      Re: the fickle moon inconstant moon

      Tue, July 29, 2008 - 9:22 PM
      it's hard to make sense of it because i can't visualise.. i know it's really simple..
      it takes roughly 24 hours to orbit the Sun. does it take more or less for the moon to orbit Earth?
      and will the moon be back again at southwest in a couple of weeks?
      • Re: the fickle moon inconstant moon

        Wed, July 30, 2008 - 6:15 AM
        It takes 1 year to orbit the Sun, Cali - 365 days, 6 hours and smth. minutes.
        That is why we get a Leap Year and an extra day, in February, every four years- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_year

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          Re: the fickle moon inconstant moon

          Wed, July 30, 2008 - 7:35 AM
          aw : \ that coulda been the most ignorant thing ever said on this tribe. i meant to say rotated.. and not around the Sun, even.

          i knew the Moon's cycle was 28 days, but it didn't click that a cycle is in fact an orbit.

          how is it that when the Moon and Sun are both on the same side of Earth (like now) that the Moon is a crescent, but when on the opposite side, it is full? it makes sense that it wouldn't be lit up now with the Sun behind it, but then i thought it would have to make sense that behind the Earth it wouldn't get all the light needed to be full.
          • Re: the fickle moon inconstant moon

            Wed, July 30, 2008 - 9:42 AM
            Remember that orbits are elliptical not circular, so the distance between the Earth and moon is not always the same. Yes, the Earth cases a shadow (which has two parts, a partial shadow that blocks some light and an inner shadow that block all light from the sun), but that inner shadow seldom covers the moon. When the inner shadow covers the moon, there is a lunar eclipse. Something else to understand, there is a point in space where the inner shadow disappears; at that point one can see a ring of the sun around the Earth (closer in, the Earth completely blocks the sun, further out more of the sun is visible). The point where the inner shadow disappears is usually inside the orbit of the moon, so the moon gets light.

            Some full moons are dimmer then others because the moon is passing through the outer shadow.

            The other factor that effects whether or not the moon gets light, is that the moon does not orbit the Earth in the same plane as the Earth orbits the sun. That means that most full moons happen when the moon is above or below the Earth in space relative to the Earth-Sun orbit plane (ecliptic).

            Hope that helps.
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              Re: the fickle moon inconstant moon

              Wed, July 30, 2008 - 10:07 AM
              yup it did help thanks again Troy
              interesting point about the two shadows too.. you've given me some things to think about
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                Re: the fickle moon inconstant moon

                Wed, July 30, 2008 - 12:11 PM
                Hi Cali, it quite simple, the full moon will be doing the opposite of what the sun was doing on the 18th. After mid summer you will see the sun rising further north from true east, so the full moon will rise to the south of east. The new moon on the other hand (waning crescent) will be nearer the sun so will be rising to the north of east with the sun. You might be able to picture in your head the plane of the ecliptic not only going up and down each day, but also swaying either side of east and west too. I use an astronomy program, www.bisque.com/ its well handy.
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    Re: the fickle moon inconstant moon

    Thu, July 31, 2008 - 2:35 AM
    I always think of it this way: When you are looking at the full Moon, you are seeing (round about) where the Sun will be in six months' time. For us in the Southern hemisphere that means it will be where the Sun is at midsummer (seeing as we're in midwinter).
    (As full of Spirit as the month of May and gorgeous as the Sun at midsummer!)

    All furnished, all in arms;
    All plum'd like estridges that with the wind
    Bated like eagles having lately bathed;
    Glittering in golden coats like images;
    As full of spirit as the month of May
    And gorgeous as the sun at midsummer;
    Wanton as youthful goats, wild as young bulls.
    - William Shakespeare,
    King Henry the Fourth, Part I
    (Vernon at IV, ii)

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